'Scuse Me While I Get All Jack Nicholson on Your Ass

[annundriel]

Watched tonight's episode with olivelavonne, who has been here since Wednesday. It was good times.

I'm going to forget to say something here, I just know it.

Spoilers for the 6.07 promo included.

Supernatural - "You Can't Handle the Truth"

I enjoyed it. I was really worried going in that I would hate it and it would ruin everything and blah blah blah entitled fangirl is entitled.

Except it didn't, for me anyway.

- There needs to be more casual throwing around of angel powers. And more Dean making kind of startled bug-eyes at it. I think it's slightly different than season four, since there Dean seemed...generally unimpressed? But here...here he already knows Cas, Cas is a familiar figure. Dean himself said he used to be more human. So Cas - Castiel - throwing around his superpowered angel weight after Dean was so familiar with Cas...that's understandably going to throw Dean off.

I love it.

- Speaking of Dean and Cas, man, do those guys need a hug. From each other. Cas' promise to make inquiries, Dean's sad "I didn't really want you to go" face, the tension between them...c'mon guys. Hug it out.

- Cas needs to learn that just because you have no relevant information for your friends in need? Doesn't mean you should check in with your friends in need and at least tell them that.

- Sooooo. Dean's got some anger issues, yeah? Except we all wanted to punch him, too, honestly. Sorry, Sam. I kept flashing back toward the end of last season when Lucifer as Sam beat the crap out of Dean.

Once again we come down to these guys being completely unable to communicate anything ever. Jesus H. Christ, guys, would actually, literally kill you to have some honesty in your relationship?

Well.

Okay.

If Dean's going to react that way, it might eventually.

Though, really, I still say Dean has some major reasons to be rightfully fucking pissed about the way things have been going for him. And, yes, I know Sam hasn't had it easy either, I know that, but I feel like so much of SPN is told from a Dean-skewed POV that I can't help but feel more where he's coming from. Plus, lately we were supposed to be wondering about Sam ourselves.

(olivelavonne and I discussed earlier today how this may be connected to the fact that I find writing Lucifer much easier than writing Sam.)

- Dean and Lisa. Yes. That was how I was hoping it would go. I mean, I don't want to see Dean unhappy, I really don't, but that was not going to work out with Dean's issues. And I really didn't want Lisa to just handwave the fact that Dean pushed Ben. I'm pleased they handled it the way they did.

It's sad that apparently no one is allowed to be happy, though.

- Hey, SPN, are you getting way more disgusting this season or what?

- Dean really should have cleared his browser history of all "Is Sam a Crazy Demon Thing?" research before heading out. I mean, c'mon, Sam could have come back and found that.

- Was anyone really surprised by anything that happened in this episode? By what was in the promo for 6.07? olivelavonne has been saying they should have done that for forever.

Mom pointed out they've already been alluding to the importance of the soul this season.

Comments

[nanoochka.livejournal.com]

I generally agree with your reaction... I think I cheered out loud when Lisa went all TKO on Dean, to the tune of, "THANKS FOR BEING A GOOD MOTHER, LADY." I might have teared up afterwards when Dean got the cry lump, but yeah... It needed to happen, and it was believable.

It's weird, though, that as much as Cas is being more BAMF this season, he's taking even more of Dean's crap than usual. Maybe his guilt complex is just overly-inflamed, but at some point during Season 4, and even Season 5, he might have told Dean to fuck off during his more childish, name-calling moments, of which Dean is having a lot more lately. Cas is essentially his holy punching bag/gopher, and the kid needs to stand up for himself and lay it down. Either in the form of hugging, or giving Dean a slap across the mouth (followed by hugging).

I'm pretty sure that Dean doesn't know how to clear browser history, though. Just sayin'. :D

Was anyone else kind of perturbed that Sam not having a soul is communicated by excessive bitchfacing, though? I thought it was hilarious, but my first thought was, "Obviously those pug faces are meant to indicate that homeslice has joined the soulless brigade."

[annundriel.livejournal.com]

I felt bad for Dean, I really did, but I LOVED the way they handled that conversation with Lisa. Though I do hope that Dean gets to be happy doing something he wants instead of being stuck doing something he's good at.

Maybe his guilt complex is just overly-inflamed, but at some point during Season 4, and even Season 5, he might have told Dean to fuck off during his more childish, name-calling moments, of which Dean is having a lot more lately.

I think you hit it with Cas' guilt complex. For as powered up as he is, he also seems very tired and worn down. Which makes sense, given the stress he's no doubt under. Maybe he thinks its easier at the moment to just lie down and take it. Which could tie in with feeling guilty, wanting to give Dean someone who will stand there and take it...

Hmmm.

Yeah, I couldn't blame Cas for hitting Dean once or twice.

I'm pretty sure that Dean doesn't know how to clear browser history, though.

LOL. I know. Oh, Dean.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'- Speaking of Dean and Cas, man, do those guys need a hug. From each other. Cas' promise to make inquiries, Dean's sad "I didn't really want you to go" face, the tension between them...c'mon guys. Hug it out.'
You know, I've always thought that Dean being so pissed at Cas this season could be that he wanted Cas to stay (he did ask Cas 'what do we do now') after the Apocalypse and when Cas didn't, he felt completely abandoned so he keeps being a dick so he won't get hurt when Cas leaves again. As far as we know Dean has never had a canon friend before.

'- Was anyone really surprised by anything that happened in this episode? By what was in the promo for 6.07? olivelavonne has been saying they should have done that for forever.'
Not really. My two big theories were either Soulless!Sam or Michael inside of Sam. I really hope that they call back to the season two Sam may not be 100% Sam red herring. I always wanted them to pick up that plot thread.

'- There needs to be more casual throwing around of angel powers.'
Me too. I really love how it contrasts with the fact that Cas is more human than Dean thinks. I don't think dick-angel!Cas would have regrets.

[annundriel.livejournal.com]

I've always thought that Dean being so pissed at Cas this season could be that he wanted Cas to stay (he did ask Cas 'what do we do now') after the Apocalypse and when Cas didn't, he felt completely abandoned so he keeps being a dick so he won't get hurt when Cas leaves again.

That's basically how I've been reading it, too. :) And Dean was so annoyed with Cas when he mentioned he might return to Heaven because he really wanted Cas to say. And he really didn't want to have to say the words. Or couldn't say them.

I really love how it contrasts with the fact that Cas is more human than Dean thinks.

Yes! I love that, too. Dean's just not looking closely, or at the right moments. There was definite angst there when Cas told Dean he had to look at that boy's sould in 6.03. If Cas didn't care...things would have been different.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'And Dean was so annoyed with Cas when he mentioned he might return to Heaven because he really wanted Cas to say. And he really didn't want to have to say the words. Or couldn't say them.'
Dean (Mr. I going to stuff my feeling deep down inside) Winchester talk about his feelings? That's just crazy talk.

'Dean's just not looking closely, or at the right moments.'
I think the fact that Dean keeps calling Cas not human has to do with the fact that he got use to having a weakened Cas around and now that Cas is fully powered it really throws him off. Plus Dean's so focused on Sam that he really can't see how miserable Cas is.

[ember-firedrake.livejournal.com]

I love how Dean and Cas can share just one scene together, and those brief minutes can carry so much weight. They seriously do need a hug...and Cas needs to drop by just to check up on Dean.

The exchange between Dean and Lisa hurt so much, but it really needed to happen. I would have lost a lot of respect for her had that gone differently. Even though Dean's pain is heartbreaking.

"Hey, SPN, are you getting way more disgusting this season or what?"

Oh my god, YES. Less is more, seriously. I was rather grossed out. The suicide at the beginning made me feel really uncomfortable, not in a triggering sense, but I could see how it might affect some people that way. Maybe because the blood splattering was so graphic, when it wasn't a directly monster-caused death. *shrugs* And that dentist chair scene...*shudders*

[annundriel.livejournal.com]

I want to give you an intelligent response, but can I just say, "Yes, what you said"?

Because, yes, what you said.

I would have lost respect for Lisa had she not done what she did. Much as I want Dean happy, yeah, it had to happen.

I'm not afraid of dentists because mine are quite good and considerate, but that dentist chair scene....omg. I'm just glad I don't have to go back in for another six months now.

[mulder200.livejournal.com]

Honestly, the revelation about Sam's soul was kind of anti-climatic.

Although, I do love Bobby telling Dean that he is favorite. Ah!

- There needs to be more casual throwing around of angel powers. And more Dean making kind of startled bug-eyes at it. I think it's slightly different than season four, since there Dean seemed...generally unimpressed? But here...here he already knows Cas, Cas is a familiar figure. Dean himself said he used to be more human. So Cas - Castiel - throwing around his superpowered angel weight after Dean was so familiar with Cas...that's understandably going to throw Dean off.

This! Dean's still used to a weakened version of Castiel so a fully powered just casually using his powers and disappearing and re-appearing around is both funny and awesome.

- Speaking of Dean and Cas, man, do those guys need a hug. From each other. Cas' promise to make inquiries, Dean's sad "I didn't really want you to go" face, the tension between them...c'mon guys. Hug it out.

- Cas needs to learn that just because you have no relevant information for your friends in need? Doesn't mean you should check in with your friends in need and at least tell them that.

Sigh! These two need couples therapy for real!

Castiel is trying to restore peace and order in Heaven and I have a feeling he's having to do some questionable things in the name of the greater good. To make matters worse, he can't bend the rules like he did in the past because HE'S the one in charge. And yet,he still cares enough about Dean to come help him when he has a chance.

As for Dean, while I understand his concerns for Sam, he just can't expect Cas to drop everything when he calls. I think he was spoiled by having Cas around so much last season so now he has to adjust to the fact that Cas may have bigger concerns than Dean has.

Hopefully, Dean will try to understand Castiel's POV and try to help him out. After all, it's only fair since Cas gave up so much for him.

[love-jackianto.livejournal.com]

'As for Dean, while I understand his concerns for Sam, he just can't expect Cas to drop everything when he calls.'
Maybe he does expect that. As far as we know Cas is the only friend Dean has ever had and he took Bobby for granted so much that Bobby chewed him out for it.

[annundriel.livejournal.com]

Honestly, the revelation about Sam's soul was kind of anti-climatic.

Y'know...it really was. I hadn't exactly gotten to thinking of it in those terms, but you're right. Though I wonder if any revelation would have been a bit anti-climatic, given how glaringly obvious it was that Sam was not right.

I have a feeling he's having to do some questionable things in the name of the greater good

I think he's alluded to doing as much, hasn't he? I wonder how far he's being forced to go...I wonder if how much thought he would have given these things before everything with Dean...

Meanwhile, Dean's got a skewed view of friendships, having never really had one, I imagine.

I would love it if Dean opened his eyes a little to the plight of those around him. I was really happy when Bobby told him off for being selfish a couple of episodes ago.

[mithrel.livejournal.com]

Cas needs to learn that just because you have no relevant information for your friends in need? Doesn't mean you should check in with your friends in need and at least tell them that. THIS!

Except we all wanted to punch him, too, honestly. Dude. Dean put the knife down, and I went, "At least punch him, c'mon!" Although he maybe went a bit overboard knocking him out.

I mean, I don't want to see Dean unhappy, I really don't, but that was not going to work out with Dean's issues. Yeah, it was pretty much doomed from the beginning.

[annundriel.livejournal.com]

I wondering if Dean knocking Sam out wasn't part of a plan to get Sam subdued and somewhere where Dean could...contain him? He knows Sam's not right, Sam's admitted it...Dean wouldn't necessarily trust him to go willingly. He did just admit to wanting to kill him that morning.

Otherwise, yeah, it was pretty severe. Though Sam did deserve to be hit.