Supernatural Season Finale
May. 13th, 2010 11:05 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
annundrielI know I always say there probably isn't coherence under the cut. I mean it this time! But I am too tired and don't want to think about it anymore.
I'm gonna go edit dirty, filthy Dean/Castiel porn that ignores the existence of the apocalypse instead. This seems like the best thing to do.
Supernatural - "Swan Song"
So coming straight from watching the episode, this is my reaction: meh.
While watching the episode? Half on the edge of my seat, half "this is how they're using the final 40 minutes of the season?"
Although, hey, that's kind of in line with how poorly they managed their time plot-wise throughout the whole season.
I don't know. My mom and I both agreed that while it had it's moments, the episode didn't really feel too much like a season finale. It was just kind of...there.
BUT there were some things that worked for me.
The scene between Sam and Lucifer, for example. I really liked the way they shot that, with Sam's image broken in two by the mirror and Lucifer remaining, for the most part, on the edge of the screen with all of that negative space.
Oh, and the scene between Lucifer, Sam, and Dean. Though, uh, wasn't it kind of suspicious having Dean go in there with Sam? I mean, if you want to trick Lucifer - which I guess you can't - then GO ALONE. Or something.
Also, the fact that Dean made a distinction between "letting" Sam make that choice and Sam making that choice.
Other things that worked for me...while they killed Castiel (WTF IS WITH THEM AND EXPLODING HIM LIKE A BAG OF SOUP?) and Bobby, THANK FUCKING CHRIST THEY BROUGHT THEM BACK. I don't even care if that's, like, a cop out or something. After it happened, all I could think was "Please dear God let them be okay I DON'T CARE HOW JUST BRING THEM BAAAAAACK."
(It got really quiet in the room when Castiel exploded. We went from do-do-do assbutt to silent shitshitshitshitSHIT.)
And then Sam jumped and I was even more BRING THEM BACK NOW DAMN IT because, seriously? They were going to take everyone away from Dean?
But then Castiel was there and you could just tell that he had his mojo back. He was all shiny and new and serene and alive (and he called Michael an assbutt, omfg Cas). He fixed Dean and he brought back Bobby and he isn't God, but he's something. I am so fucking relieved. I'd say "you don't even know," but knowing my flist...I'm pretty sure you do. ;)
Before that happened, though, when it was Dean alone and broken by the Impala and it went to commercial? I faceplanted on the bed and told Mom, "If we spend the last ten minutes of this season with Lisa, I will..." I'm not sure what I said I would do. I think I was probably making incoherent noises into the mattress at that point. It's not that I hate Lisa (I actually liked the character quite a bit when we first met her), it's just that...they did not set up her part in this whole thing very well. They kind of pulled her out of nowhere, even if Dean had mentioned her once or twice since the episode she was actually in. It's like, well, Dean wants a home and a family, how can we give that to him in the quickest way possible? I know! Where's that woman who already had a kid and a nice house?
Given the emotional state Dean was left in, and how screwed up he is (and the fact that Sam? Lucifer? Creepy stalker doppelganger?), I don't see it lasting long. Or going well. It's kinda like...You really think Harry Potter's going to be able to live a normal life after all of the abuse he's gone through? I'm just saying.
[Note to self: Now would be a good time to go work on that fic with the pancakes and all of Dean's realizations, like the Impala is home and Cas is more than just someone Dean wants to be friends with.]
Um...other things. Cas asleep in the backseat. Dean all "aww" until Sam pointed out that angels don't sleep. Oh, guys.
When Dean said Cas still sucks at goodbyes, I was all "But it's not goodbye, dumbass!" I really hope that's true. Really, really hope. Because that was always the other bummer option. Castiel lives, but we never ever see him again.
I'm sure there is some "want/do not want" Castiel back going on right now among Castiel fans. I want him back because I'm selfish and I'll take what I can get. And because apparently I will ignore things I don't like and write fic anyway.
And, I don't know, I would have liked them to have some resolution. Or something. A HUG. A HANDSHAKE. A I'M-GLAD-YOU'RE-NOT-DEAD MOMENT. They went through two years of shit and that's it? I hope not.
I just...is it so wrong to want a scene with them that's more in line with Dean calling Cas his buddy and worrying about him than with Dean bullying? I mean, I understand that's how Dean tends to communicate and he'd just gone through some serious shit, but COME ON.
Plus, I mean they went through some serious life-altering things together - Castiel has had his entire existence changed because of Dean - I don't want the characters to never interact again.
I guess that's what fic is for, though.
That may have devolved a bit...
I liked the framing of the episode, with Chuck and the Impala. Or, rather, I liked the framing of the episode until we wandered into the cliche aisle at Wal-Mart and started going on about beginnings and endings and how some are hard and others are not and real life has plot holes so we're leaving a bunch gaping, stop complaining guys.
It got a little too...heavy-handed there at the end for me, is what I'm trying to say.
And here's the question: Is Chuck God? Is he a god? Will we ever know?
Seriously. I don't even know what they were doing this episode. I was into it until half-way through when I looked at the clock and realized they only had 30 minutes to do whatever they were going to do. And then they kind of lost me because it was just talk, talk, talk.
It's funny, because on the one hand I'm all "meh" - like I said - about the episode, but on the other hand I feel...drained. But I guess that's because I spent the whole episode worried and waiting and near tears and then there were actual tears and then it all fizzled out.
I think the look on Cas' face right before Lucifer exploded him is going to haunt me, even though he did get brought back. Fuck.
I'm gonna go edit dirty, filthy Dean/Castiel porn that ignores the existence of the apocalypse instead. This seems like the best thing to do.
Supernatural - "Swan Song"
So coming straight from watching the episode, this is my reaction: meh.
While watching the episode? Half on the edge of my seat, half "this is how they're using the final 40 minutes of the season?"
Although, hey, that's kind of in line with how poorly they managed their time plot-wise throughout the whole season.
I don't know. My mom and I both agreed that while it had it's moments, the episode didn't really feel too much like a season finale. It was just kind of...there.
BUT there were some things that worked for me.
The scene between Sam and Lucifer, for example. I really liked the way they shot that, with Sam's image broken in two by the mirror and Lucifer remaining, for the most part, on the edge of the screen with all of that negative space.
Oh, and the scene between Lucifer, Sam, and Dean. Though, uh, wasn't it kind of suspicious having Dean go in there with Sam? I mean, if you want to trick Lucifer - which I guess you can't - then GO ALONE. Or something.
Also, the fact that Dean made a distinction between "letting" Sam make that choice and Sam making that choice.
Other things that worked for me...while they killed Castiel (WTF IS WITH THEM AND EXPLODING HIM LIKE A BAG OF SOUP?) and Bobby, THANK FUCKING CHRIST THEY BROUGHT THEM BACK. I don't even care if that's, like, a cop out or something. After it happened, all I could think was "Please dear God let them be okay I DON'T CARE HOW JUST BRING THEM BAAAAAACK."
(It got really quiet in the room when Castiel exploded. We went from do-do-do assbutt to silent shitshitshitshitSHIT.)
And then Sam jumped and I was even more BRING THEM BACK NOW DAMN IT because, seriously? They were going to take everyone away from Dean?
But then Castiel was there and you could just tell that he had his mojo back. He was all shiny and new and serene and alive (and he called Michael an assbutt, omfg Cas). He fixed Dean and he brought back Bobby and he isn't God, but he's something. I am so fucking relieved. I'd say "you don't even know," but knowing my flist...I'm pretty sure you do. ;)
Before that happened, though, when it was Dean alone and broken by the Impala and it went to commercial? I faceplanted on the bed and told Mom, "If we spend the last ten minutes of this season with Lisa, I will..." I'm not sure what I said I would do. I think I was probably making incoherent noises into the mattress at that point. It's not that I hate Lisa (I actually liked the character quite a bit when we first met her), it's just that...they did not set up her part in this whole thing very well. They kind of pulled her out of nowhere, even if Dean had mentioned her once or twice since the episode she was actually in. It's like, well, Dean wants a home and a family, how can we give that to him in the quickest way possible? I know! Where's that woman who already had a kid and a nice house?
Given the emotional state Dean was left in, and how screwed up he is (and the fact that Sam? Lucifer? Creepy stalker doppelganger?), I don't see it lasting long. Or going well. It's kinda like...You really think Harry Potter's going to be able to live a normal life after all of the abuse he's gone through? I'm just saying.
[Note to self: Now would be a good time to go work on that fic with the pancakes and all of Dean's realizations, like the Impala is home and Cas is more than just someone Dean wants to be friends with.]
Um...other things. Cas asleep in the backseat. Dean all "aww" until Sam pointed out that angels don't sleep. Oh, guys.
When Dean said Cas still sucks at goodbyes, I was all "But it's not goodbye, dumbass!" I really hope that's true. Really, really hope. Because that was always the other bummer option. Castiel lives, but we never ever see him again.
I'm sure there is some "want/do not want" Castiel back going on right now among Castiel fans. I want him back because I'm selfish and I'll take what I can get. And because apparently I will ignore things I don't like and write fic anyway.
And, I don't know, I would have liked them to have some resolution. Or something. A HUG. A HANDSHAKE. A I'M-GLAD-YOU'RE-NOT-DEAD MOMENT. They went through two years of shit and that's it? I hope not.
I just...is it so wrong to want a scene with them that's more in line with Dean calling Cas his buddy and worrying about him than with Dean bullying? I mean, I understand that's how Dean tends to communicate and he'd just gone through some serious shit, but COME ON.
Plus, I mean they went through some serious life-altering things together - Castiel has had his entire existence changed because of Dean - I don't want the characters to never interact again.
I guess that's what fic is for, though.
That may have devolved a bit...
I liked the framing of the episode, with Chuck and the Impala. Or, rather, I liked the framing of the episode until we wandered into the cliche aisle at Wal-Mart and started going on about beginnings and endings and how some are hard and others are not and real life has plot holes so we're leaving a bunch gaping, stop complaining guys.
It got a little too...heavy-handed there at the end for me, is what I'm trying to say.
And here's the question: Is Chuck God? Is he a god? Will we ever know?
Seriously. I don't even know what they were doing this episode. I was into it until half-way through when I looked at the clock and realized they only had 30 minutes to do whatever they were going to do. And then they kind of lost me because it was just talk, talk, talk.
It's funny, because on the one hand I'm all "meh" - like I said - about the episode, but on the other hand I feel...drained. But I guess that's because I spent the whole episode worried and waiting and near tears and then there were actual tears and then it all fizzled out.
I think the look on Cas' face right before Lucifer exploded him is going to haunt me, even though he did get brought back. Fuck.
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Date: 2010-05-14 06:44 am (UTC)I think what I'm most disappointed in (besides the epic mis-planning for this season as a whole) was the wasted potential for Dean and Cas. I mean, I get it, it's a slash ship, it's never going to be canon, and you can't expect show writers to pander to that. But dammit, is it too much to ask for some epic BFF-ness? Just something so I can feel good about their relationship. Looking back at episodes 3 and 4 of season five, they had progressed so much as characters since the beginning of season four, and you truly got the sense that there was friendship between them. But after this episode, nothing. I just want their friendship to be okay. Fanon can take care of the rest. :(
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Date: 2010-05-14 05:29 pm (UTC)YES. YES, YES, A THOUSAND TIMES YES. TO YOUR WHOLE COMMENT.
I almost said something in my post about how, you know, I'm not delusional and I know that the relationship I like to see between Dean and Castiel is not the same as the one actually occuring on-screen, but COME ON.
As slash fans, we thrive on subtext. We don't need it to be in the text itself, (Which begs the question, is slash something that only occurs in fanfiction, because once it actually happens...doesn't it become just a homosexual relationship? I'm not asking that as cleanly as I'd like. Hmm.) But I keep going back to the episode with the anti-Christ and the way Dean held Cas the Action Figure and they way he said "buddy." There should have been, like you said, some epic BFF-ness.
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Date: 2010-05-14 01:24 pm (UTC)They built up the Apocalypse over two seasons, sent them to Heaven, brought in the fucking HORSEMEN, announced that God's a flatleaver, and then the final showdown... and they give us an episode of Inside the Actor's Studio.
I am le angry, and I'm waiting for the fix-it fic.
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Date: 2010-05-14 05:34 pm (UTC)They built up the Apocalypse over two seasons, sent them to Heaven, brought in the fucking HORSEMEN, announced that God's a flatleaver, and then the final showdown... and they give us an episode of Inside the Actor's Studio.
It was like we got to the main event and then the headlining band didn't show. (Or, y'know, all this foreplay and then they couldn't get it up. IDK.)
(Meanwhile, next week on Inside the Actor's Studio...Sam and Dean exorcise James Lipton! Tune in!
"What sound or noise do you love?"
"The sound of you being expelled from that meat-suit!" ::latin happens::)
I have one idea for fix-it fic. I have no idea if I'll do anything with it, though. I haven't been reading much fic lately, so if you find any good fix-it, you should pass it along.
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Date: 2010-05-14 02:52 pm (UTC)And like you, I feel utterly drained now. Wow.
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Date: 2010-05-14 05:40 pm (UTC)And then there's relief that it didn't go as catastrophically bad as I was afraid it would. That counts for something in my book. (Though, really, would it kill them for Dean and Cas to act a bit more like the friends they are?)
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Date: 2010-05-14 06:10 pm (UTC)(I'm not sure if I want Dean and Cas to become more demonstrative on screen, but I'd really love for Dean to recognise - to acknowledge - everything Cas has done, has sacrificed for him. And to acknowledge his own hypocrisy when it comes to family. *sighs*)
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Date: 2010-05-14 10:36 pm (UTC)You know, as much as I really would like a hug of some sort (we did get the manly shoulder grab in "The End"), I think I agree. After last week's episode, I said that I was happy we got an on-screen apology from Castiel to Dean but I was happy it was over the phone, because having that happen face to face? Between these two characters? Would have felt too intimate to me. Castiel is just so earnest sometimes.
So let fandom take care of demonstrations of affection. On the show itself, I would be happy with, as you said, Dean regonizing and acknowledging the role Cas has played.
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Date: 2010-05-15 12:49 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2010-05-14 05:40 pm (UTC)I would have liked them to have some resolution. Or something. A HUG. A HANDSHAKE. A I'M-GLAD-YOU'RE-NOT-DEAD MOMENT.
YES OMG YES. My disappointment is mostly centered around how badly I consider their friendship to have been handled in this episode. I love the brother bits, especially the flashbacks to Dean and Sam growing up in the Impala. I just wish it hadn't come at the cost of minimizing or outright forgetting that he has a friend, too. That last scene almost felt like something from the beginning of season four, when Dean was still wary and resistant to Castiel, and used to treat him more as an annoyance than anything else. I just really felt the writers dropped the ball there.
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Date: 2010-05-14 10:47 pm (UTC)Yes, that's where I'm at. As I've been saying...in several different places by now I think, I'm fairly happy with where it ended. I'm not happy with how it got there.
I just really felt the writers dropped the ball there.
Oh man, the writers dropped so many balls all over the place it was like one of those ball pits at McDonald's. But yes, when it comes down to it, it was the way they handled the relationship between Dean and Castiel that bothers me the most. I mean, I know we're supposed to be centered around Dean and Sam - and I loved the scenes between them, past and present - but Castiel and Bobby are practically family, and I think they were used poorly.
Also, personally, I felt that it was sort of a big deal that Castiel had entered their lives and become someone they trusted and worried about and cared for, someone outside of the Winchester unit. And Dean discovered he could be close to someone not related to him. But apparently that's just me.
I'd like to think the abrupt goodbye we got was just Dean being clueless and hurting and Cas being, well, his usual socially awkward self.
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Date: 2010-05-14 05:46 pm (UTC)I thought it was a good ending to the story line that leaves it so the person can walk away now or watch the next season.
Also, the way I see it, it leaves possibilities for the next season. Cas may have left Dean in the Impala but I don't think he left Dean. I don't think he ever will be able to. And it's a good thing for next season. Also, I don't think Dean could handle anyone right at that moment. Even Cas.
I thought it was pretty obvious Chuck was/is God. Which is . . . I'm not exactly sure how I feel about right now.
Dean totally can't live that life with Lisa, because no matter what anyone else says, he's got a saving people thing. Which I think will be something they probably delve into more in the beginning of the next season.
I thought the conversation between Lucifer and Michael was interesting. I don't know much about angels or angel lore. But it was interesting because I always thought angels didn't have free will and it was one of the things that made humans so special. But they do, and to me the whole apocolypse was a test for them rather than a punishment for humans. And some of them failed spectacularly. But maybe I'm reading it wrong.
I think I'm not disappointed or upset with the episode because I wasn't expecting anything more than a cliff hanger. Which would have killed me more than anything. In the end I'm pretty happy with it because it does leave things open for next season (how Dean goes back to hunting, how Dean and Sam reconnect, how Cas will fit into the whole thing now that they don't have to worry about the end of the world).
OH! And, the way I see it? Cas was rewarded for siding with the humans. He chose to break away for the good of millions of lives. He's still alive because he fell. And because he means alot to Dean. Or maybe I'm just being overly optimistic?
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Date: 2010-05-14 10:59 pm (UTC)I thought it was a good ending to the story line that leaves it so the person can walk away now or watch the next season.
See, I think my main issue with the episode (besides the Cas-related stuff) is that I don't particularly agree with that. Because I don't really feel like they actually ended the story line. Or, it did, but in such an unstatisfying way - in my opinion - that I could see people walking away because they felt they'd been gipped and didn't want to stick aroudn any longer.
I don't know. I just wanted more from it, y'know? Like
Dean totally can't live that life with Lisa, because no matter what anyone else says, he's got a saving people thing. Which I think will be something they probably delve into more in the beginning of the next season.
I agree. I'll text you about fic ideas. :)
But it was interesting because I always thought angels didn't have free will and it was one of the things that made humans so special. But they do, and to me the whole apocolypse was a test for them rather than a punishment for humans. And some of them failed spectacularly.
I have no idea about the test thing, though that would fic with Chuck as God, wouldn't it? He rewarded the angels on the human side of things (Castiel) and others were punished. Hmmm.
Awhile ago I tried looking up whether or not angels have free will because that has always, always bothered me. If angels didn't have free will, than God was the one who...preprogrammed Lucifer to go bad, which would mean he wanted Lucifer where he was. (Which goes with what Lucifer told Michael in the cemetary.) But it appears like they have...some level of choice? Maybe just on SPN?
I should ask Neesha's dad. Or my dad.
Cas was rewarded for siding with the humans. He chose to break away for the good of millions of lives. He's still alive because he fell. And because he means alot to Dean.
I am down with all of that. :)
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Date: 2010-05-14 08:25 pm (UTC)Also, the whole "Cas are you God?" just stopped me dead for a couple minutes too because that BLEW MY MIND. That would have been totally epic in SO many ways. Not that I mind Chuck being God or wtv but still, imagine what it would mean.
As for the Cas/Dean moment I thought they did a quick "omg you're alive!" just as Dean was looking at Cas when Cas healed him. I can still see that look in my head, so I was happy.
Not to happy about their spat in the car because yeah, Dean wants freedom and all but it's not freedom if he doesn't have his brother. Jeez Cas, you should know that by now, so a bit OOC. Even if he has turned into an angel again it doesn't mean he should have lost his ability to empathize/sympathize/wtv. And yeah, I guess your father bringing you back to life would renew some sense of hope and faith, but not completely and that's why Cas is going to do some spring cleaning on their holy asses. I personally believe anyways :P
I did cry a lot, the whole impala thing and Sam and Dean moments <3
But Lisa come ON, the supernatural crew keep saying how the fans don't like their female characters, well I WONDER WHY? They throw them in at random times to complete their plot holes, they have no personality/background I can relate to. Not that I don't like Lisa as a person I just believe Dean deserves his own family without taking care of someone elses kid. He's already cleaned up enough problems, Sam's, God's, his father's, I think he should have gotten his own ending. I also liked Ruby, but they killed her off because of the plot, Bella not even a little bit. She stole the impala, the colt and was just a total bitch with no reason whatsoever except some allusions to some childhood abuse that we could never be sure about because Dean was just guessing about why she had her family killed and made the deal.
Jo and Ellen I liked also, if they had Jo into her own person and less of another love interest for Dean, I might have liked her even more. Anna was awesome also, but she had to turn into another love interest and die. So yeah, they do an awesome job with the guys but with the girls...not so much. I mean, look at Cas, sure he's a guy, but if they had done that with a female character it would have been freakin awesome. Not to mention she would have ended up with Dean at the end, ahhh double-standards...
Kay so I think I'm done ranting about everything I thought about at work today. If i missed anything it's because I watched the episode at 7 in the morning today before I ran off to work.
P.S: And yeah, Sam stop being a creepy stalker. If you do that whole "WHY DIDNT YOU COME GET ME!? YOU JUST WENT AND LIVED A NORMAL LIFE AND ABANDONED ME!?" next season. I will face plant, because Dean is keeping his word now go say hi.
P.P.S: I'm so happy Cas is alive...I was infinitely disappointed in the way he died. If they were going to kill him off, I at least wanted him to have a cool death. Not a re-used explosion by angel.
P.P.P.S: Awww Michael and Lucifer...brother's who have too many problems but now have the rest of eternity in a cage to solve them. Though I found Michael reaching for Sam at the last minute sweet, I saw it more as a 'he'd rather see his brother dead than in that cage again' type of thing. But that might just be me.
P.P.P.P.S: Stop TEMPTING us woman! With your comments about the next fic. *cries* Have some cookies.
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Date: 2010-05-15 08:12 pm (UTC)That is true. And it was lovely.
Not to happy about their spat in the car because yeah, Dean wants freedom and all but it's not freedom if he doesn't have his brother. Jeez Cas, you should know that by now, so a bit OOC. Even if he has turned into an angel again it doesn't mean he should have lost his ability to empathize/sympathize/wtv.
Hmmm. I'm going to have to disagree a little. I mean, I thought part of the point was that in order for Dean to be free, he had to let go of his brother. Or at least Sam and Dean needed to learn how to live apart, because the co-dependent thing they had going was always going to be destructive to both of them in some way.
I talked to a friend of mine about this a lot last night, and we both felt Castiel wasn't OOC. He and Dean had both been through a lot at that point (haha, understatement!) and Dean lashed out at him a bit for thinking he'd return to Heaven, and Castiel responded to that because he's not going to just...roll over for Dean. He never really has. As for the going back to Heaven part...It's a choice he's making because he actually gets a choice, y'know? And, really, he's kind of doing what Dean's taught him: he's choosing family, because family is important. Plus, his family is in need (anarchy and what not), and Castiel has a perspective none of them will have.
As for Lisa and Ben....I really don't want them to get hurt because I ultimately don't think it will work out for Dean and the "normal" life. I want Dean to find some happiness, but I think he'll realize that what he thought he wanted isn't necessarily what he really wants. Or what he needs.
I have so many thoughts to work through!
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Date: 2010-05-15 03:05 am (UTC)I am especially disappointed about the lack of Dean and Cas. I mean WTF?! The thing I loved most about Misha and Jensen's performances is the chemistry they shared and it was glorious! And then last three eps. happened and it was like it was gone. I mean SAM had better interaction with Cas than Dean did. WTH?!
And that last scene between suck ass! And his death scene was a joke? I mean what happened to our Warrior Angel? He turned into a pussy!
Don't get me wrong! I am glad that Cas and everyone is still alive but the finale as a whole just felt so incomplete. Like the writers had a great idea in mind but halfway through had no idea how to flush it out properly. Very disappointing.
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Date: 2010-05-15 08:22 pm (UTC)But I guess that's what fic is for?
I mean what happened to our Warrior Angel? He turned into a pussy!
I'm not sure I'd go that far. He was fairly newly human. And we'd seen Lucifer take down gods without breaking a sweat. (That still strikes me as...weird. I mean, he's an archangel and they're gods and somehow he's more powerful?) Plus, he did get attention thrown on him rather quickly...
Like the writers had a great idea in mind but halfway through had no idea how to flush it out properly.
That's totally what it felt like. It's like they had their great plot and they had their end, but they weren't sure how to get from point A to point B so they kinda fudged it in the middle there. Oh, writers. I wish they'd used their time more wisely.
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Date: 2010-05-16 03:23 pm (UTC)But meh.... fanfic brain I guess.
I totally agree with you about Lisa. She was an interesting character, but as soon as she appeared again when Dean said his goodbyes I was like. 'What's the point of this?' and okay, they needed an illustration of Dean following through on his word to Sam. She's just that, but i could have seen a lot better Dean signing paper on renting a house or something. Settle.
It's not coherent with Dean, that's just what I'm saying. Plus everytime I see her i want to slap her because she's just so fucking pretty it's not fair.
Btw, i don't think Dean wants this life. Sam himself even said he *used to* want it, but not anymore. It's just the life Sam thinks Dean deserves. But we all know that home, for Dean, is Sam. And the Impala that saved the world. But mostly Sam.
Oh!! I loved that you thought Harry Potter. That's exactly what I thought. Like... 'You know why you beat Lucifer
HarrSammy? Love. Lucifer doesn't know that kind of love.' (And ever since then I can't listen to anything but That Kind of Love by Alison Krauss. If you don't know, the first words are 'Who would sell their soul for love?' and it only gets better (or worse... meh))I hope we get to see Cas again. It's cool that he's alive. But cling to the hope that we'll have our Cas, because taking Misha out of the show? Suicide, no?
Right! I'd have loved to have a hug with Cas as well, like... "God, Cas, you're alive!" at least a reach & touch! *glares at Kripke*
I'm just thinking, in my crazy little corner in my maze like little brain, that they're not doing it and keeping it for the series finale or close to that. the whole Dastiel kiss, or make out or even better, sex scene (kind of like that wall moment, but with clothes being ripped out). It's still controversial shit. So, in case the ratings go down afterwards... well, it's for the finale.
Does it even make sence? I dunno if you get me.
I didn't think Chuck's narration was overdone, but you know, tastes. I loved how he told the story, and I loved the Impala!
And yeah, big WTF moment here. Is Chuck god, and if he is, since when? And since he disapeared, does it mean someone else is writing the gospel now? And most important question.... God, is on Earth.... for dominatrix hookers??
And what my bff and I have been wondering about. What was it at the end. Was it Lucifer (maybe because Michael couldn't be trapped in the cage, cause he's a
goodprickgood guy and therefore it didn't close)? Or was it Sam, because they worried for nothing and Vessels don't get trapped, and in that case, is it Sam pumped on blood, half human, and doing the stupid thing? (namely, deciding that Dean's got the life he deserves and keeping his distance, doing the complete Smallville thing in thinking that Dean would rather live thinking his brother is in HELL!!)Also, nice touch, I loved how the streetlamp didn't burst. Just went out.
Also, no Crowley, which means, More Crowley in the future. He can be the constant pain in Bobby's ass.
Wait... pain in Bobby's ass?
Ooooh, shiny fic idea! *runs after it*
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Date: 2010-05-17 11:49 pm (UTC)And, see, I think that's okay. And I kind of think he was being dicky-y in reaction to Dean's own less-than-cuddly treatment of him. But him going back to Heaven...It's his home and I'm sure not all of the angels were/are bad or corrupt. (Someone else pointed out that Uriel was killing the angels that wouldn't side with him, and Castiel would have been in that group.) Plus, if there's one thing he's learned from the Winchesters, it's the importance of family. So I like to think he'll go back to Heaven with the ability to see the big and small picture and make decisions accordingly.
And as much as I love Dean/Castiel (I don't think there's any doubt there), I also like that Castiel was reangelfied because it...I don't know, it means that he's not tied specifically to Dean. If he goes back to Dean, or if he spends time with Dean, it's because it's his choice and not the only thing he knows (besides a Heaven he can't have/get to). If that makes sense?
Although, really, as long as Cas is around, I'm not picky about how human or angel he is.
Btw, i don't think Dean wants this life. Sam himself even said he *used to* want it, but not anymore. It's just the life Sam thinks Dean deserves. But we all know that home, for Dean, is Sam. And the Impala that saved the world. But mostly Sam.
I think you make an interesting point there, about Sam thinking it's the life Dean deserves. Which I think you're probably right about. But I do think that Dean, at the very least, thinks he wants this life. I always kind of think of Dean and Sam as switching positions at some point. Sam started out wanting "normal" and Dean wanted the hunt. Then somewhere along the line, we realize that Dean wants "normal" and Sam wants the hunt. We thought Sam=Mary and Dean=John, when really it turned out the other way around. So I think Dean believes he wants it, but I also think he might get it and realize - like Sam did - that it maybe isn't what he wants after all. (I have Dean/Castiel parallel fic ideas just so I can explore this.)
Does it even make sence? I dunno if you get me.
Hee, I get ya. If I were running a show, the finale's where I'd hide the good stuff. (Though I always think season finales, that way everyone's got hiatus to stew in their "omg did that really just happen?" juices.)
I really liked Chuck's narration. It was just the end of it that got a little...too much for me. Although, rewatching bits and pieces of the episode a few days later, I've noticed my reactions are slightly different, so it might have been my mood at the moment. (Winding the episode down, being disappointed with some of the middle plot, etc.)
A friend of mine is convinced that it was Sam at the end. I'm...not convinced, but I'm leaning that way. I mean, if everything else got fixed (Cas, Bobby), it wouldn't be surprising if Sam got pulled out, too.
My very wishful thinking for next season is that Crowley and Castiel show up occasionally to do the demon/angel-on-your-shoulder advice thing. I think that'd be comedy gold.
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Date: 2010-05-18 01:32 am (UTC)It does. But it also means he'll get to stay young and see Dean die. I think, if he'd have stayed and found another family. In peace, post non appocalypse, he wouldn't beccome the junkie he was in 2014, and would be happy. Really happy and free, and able to grow old with this family.
Although, really, as long as Cas is around, I'm not picky about how human or angel he is.
Yeah. As long as we get some action. *waggles eyebrows*
Then somewhere along the line, we realize that Dean wants "normal" and Sam wants the hunt.
I dunno. I see what you mean. Don't you think he just wants to *be* normal. Like... not a vessel, no 'world-ly' responsibility, no 'my brother might not be completly human'...
But don't you think that if he ever stopped hunting he'd go restless and crazy in a week? Zachariah had a point. The hunt is in his blood.
I can only see Dean setteled down in a Charmed kind of way. With Sam at least, maybe even with Bobby and Cas. But I've got that fic were he's fifty, all hunter-Bobby like, living with Sam and two dogs.
It's too late. They can't be appart. They were imprinted. Hell, he said it himself... it's his definition of himself.
Though I always think season finales, that way everyone's got hiatus to stew in their "omg did that really just happen?" juices.
Yeah! That's why I really expected Dean to jump Cas and go 'Cas, you're alive!' and hugs the lights out of him. But I guess loosing Sam just before kind of blew the joy out of his candle. Plus the whole, 'Cas, are you God?' line was kind of nice.
My very wishful thinking for next season is that Crowley and Castiel show up occasionally to do the demon/angel-on-your-shoulder advice thing. I think that'd be comedy gold.
Imagine if they both get regular cast roles?
Meh. Impossible. But i'm still waiting on the news on whether Misha will be a regular like last season. I don't even know where to look for that info...
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Date: 2010-05-22 09:38 pm (UTC)'So coming straight from watching the episode, this is my reaction: meh.
While watching the episode? Half on the edge of my seat, half "this is how they're using the final 40 minutes of the season?"'
That's how I felt too. I think the most shocking thing about this episode was that no one died (or at least stayed dead).
'I think I was probably making incoherent noises into the mattress at that point. It's not that I hate Lisa (I actually liked the character quite a bit when we first met her), it's just that...they did not set up her part in this whole thing very well.'
I agree, I wish they had laid more groundwork. I've always thought (and I still do) that Dean really loves the IDEA of Lisa more than Lisa herself.
'They went through two years of shit and that's it? I hope not.'
I know. I knew we probably weren't going to get a weepy hug or anything, but I had hoped that Dean would have at least acknowledged all the sacrifices Cas made for him; Cas gave up anything he ever knew, he killed members of his own family and even fell (even if the writers never came out and said that). I really wish they had used Cas better in general this season (his unseen search for God comes to mind), but than I always thought that just because they show is about Sam and Dean doesn't mean it has to be JUST about Sam and Dean.
As for Cas going back to Heaven, I okay with that. I like to think that Cas learned from Dean that family is very important.
'And here's the question: Is Chuck God? Is he a god? Will we ever know?'
Personally, I think Chuck is God's vessel (that's why Dean's amulet never burned hot when Chuck was around) and God didn't take his vessel until this episode.
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Date: 2010-05-23 04:56 am (UTC)Exactly. Dean wants (or at least thinks he wants) a life that fits into that idea of "normal" with two parents, a couple of kids, a dog, white picket fence, etc. It's a life and a stability he and Sam never got a chance to have. Lisa, I think, easily fits into his picture of what he thinks he wants.
I knew we probably weren't going to get a weepy hug or anything, but I had hoped that Dean would have at least acknowledged all the sacrifices Cas made for him
Yes, some acknowledgment is really all I ask. I'm starting to wonder about my own reaction to that scene in the car, though. I mean, at the time, I was worried that would be it for them, which would make a pretty pathetic ending/goodbye. However, if the writers aren't thinking of that as the end, then it's not so bad. And maybe there's still hope? (Probably not, sadly.)
I really wish they had used Cas better in general this season (his unseen search for God comes to mind), but than I always thought that just because they show is about Sam and Dean doesn't mean it has to be JUST about Sam and Dean.
Agreed. The show has always been centered around Sam and Dean, but with an expansion of the universe, they can branch out a little (they could maybe even have given Jared and Jensen a week off). I'm also a little disappointed that Dean and Cas' friendship seemed to suffer there at the end in order to make room for Dean and Sam's epic familial relationship.
I like to think that Cas learned from Dean that family is very important.
I've been saying essentially this in comments in other people's journals. Because yes, if there is one thing Cas has learned from Dean, it's how important family is. They can screw you over, but when they need help, you're there. Heaven needs help. Cas is in a position to provide it. A unique position given everything that's happened to him in the last two years.
I really like your idea that Chuck is God's vessel. Do you think God took his vessel at the beginning of the episode or the end? Because I'm always struck by how different Chuck's body language is during his final little scene to the rest of the episode (and the rest of the series).
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Date: 2010-05-23 02:56 pm (UTC)Exactly.
'And maybe there's still hope? (Probably not, sadly.)'
Season six spoiler and speculation (I'm not sure what your spoiler policy is):
'I'm also a little disappointed that Dean and Cas' friendship seemed to suffer there at the end in order to make room for Dean and Sam's epic familial relationship.'
Same here. I was so disappointed by that, but than I loved the fact that Dean finally had a friend outside of Sam. Cas is the only friend Dean has ever had in canon.
'Do you think God took his vessel at the beginning of the episode or the end? Because I'm always struck by how different Chuck's body language is during his final little scene to the rest of the episode (and the rest of the series).'
I think he was a filled vessel at the end, mostly for the reasons you pointed out. Considering it looked like Chuck cleaned his house and he was wearing a nice shirt in that episode, I think God let him know so Chuck could get his affairs in order.
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Date: 2010-05-23 06:22 pm (UTC)But! Since the end of the season I've been all over spoilers for season six. :) Because I needed to know who was listed in the cast. I agree with you about Cas. If he's going to be there, I want them to actually use him.
I really hope the writers draw a parallel between Cas and Dean realizing that Heaven and a normal life (respectively) aren't what they're cracked up to be.
I've wanted to write fic about exactly that since the finale ended. Just because you think you want something, doesn't mean you actually do.
I was so disappointed by that, but than I loved the fact that Dean finally had a friend outside of Sam. Cas is the only friend Dean has ever had in canon.
Ditto. Though I guess with Cas being Dean's only friend, Dean can be...somewhat forgiven for not knowing how to handle that. He's kind of socially and emotionally stunted. I also really wish we'd seen more of Sam and Cas as friends.
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Date: 2010-05-23 07:04 pm (UTC)I don't think that's too much to ask. Even Jimmy got his own episode, why not Cas? Fan service is all well and good, but I need more than that. I certainly need more that Cas to just be the angel of exposition/comic relief.
'Though I guess with Cas being Dean's only friend, Dean can be...somewhat forgiven for not knowing how to handle that. He's kind of socially and emotionally stunted.'
That sounds about right. I've always thought that when Dean said 'what do we do now?' in Swan Song that meant he wanted Cas to stay but he didn't know how to tell him that.
'I've wanted to write fic about exactly that since the finale ended. Just because you think you want something, doesn't mean you actually do.'
Oh awesome! If you do write that I'd love to make a fic cover for it?
'I also really wish we'd seen more of Sam and Cas as friends.'
Me too. I thought it was really weird that Cas called Sam his friend in Song Remains The Same because up until then we barely saw them interact. I just want them all to be friends, plus it would be interesting to see how Cas interacts differently with each brother.
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Date: 2010-05-24 06:04 am (UTC)Seriously! And considering how bizarrely paced season five was, they could have fit one in.
I've always thought that when Dean said 'what do we do now?' in Swan Song that meant he wanted Cas to stay but he didn't know how to tell him that
I am completely behind that interpretation. Dean's reaction to Cas' idea that he'll return to Heaven could be read as at least partial disappointment that Cas didn't say anything about staying.
There are a couple of fics I've written lately that make me...feel like these two characters keep throwing out hints to each other and then don't know what to do when the other fails to pick up on them. Like Cas continually standing too close to Dean despite continual reminders of "dude, personal space" because he doesn't know how to tell Dean what he wants. Or Dean telling Cas to blow him and hoping Cas will take him as literally as he ever does.
So here we have them in the car and they're both kind of like, well, this thing that has defined us is over. Now what? Except instead of Cas sticking with Dean, he says, "Heaven."
But of course Dean can't just say, "No, don't do that. You should stick around, help out down here." Or suggest that Cas visit him.
If you do write that I'd love to make a fic cover for it?
Really? That'd be awesome! It really is something I'd like to write, I just don't know if it'll happen. But I do really want to explore the two of them getting what they want, and then realizing it isn't really, not anymore.
Cas isn't the angel he once was. He can return to Heaven, but he's always going to see it differently. (I keep wanting to draw parallels to The Last Unicorn.) And Dean's...well. Dean has backlogs of issues.
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Date: 2010-05-24 05:45 pm (UTC)Tell me about it. I'm still very disappointed that there were so many episodes where the apocalypse wasn't even mentioned; even a few throw away lines to show the apocalypse was happening off screen would have helped. Don't get me started on how in quite a few Cas-less episodes it was like he ceased to exist; I know the writers had to keep him out of episodes because his powers would have made things too easy, but would coming up with excuses why he couldn't be there be really that hard.
'But of course Dean can't just say, "No, don't do that. You should stick around, help out down here." Or suggest that Cas visit him.'
Yep. I'm sure Cas leaving for Heaven felt a little like Sam leaving for Stanford to Dean.
'Really? That'd be awesome! It really is something I'd like to write, I just don't know if it'll happen. But I do really want to explore the two of them getting what they want, and then realizing it isn't really, not anymore.'
Good luck.
'Cas isn't the angel he once was. He can return to Heaven, but he's always going to see it differently. (I keep wanting to draw parallels to The Last Unicorn.)
Oh The Last Unicorn :D I do agree about Cas seeing differently now. At the very least he'll probably be more compassionate towards humans than the other angels. I just have to wonder how Raphael feels about it; I'm pretty sure he sees Cas as having rebelled and Cas getting rewarded instead of punished probably really pisses him off. Not to mention Cas left him in the ring of holy fire.
And Dean's...well. Dean has backlogs of issues.'
That's putting it mildly. He has more baggage than LAX.