Lighten Up, It's Just the Apocalypse
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annundrielAlternate entry subject: Tim Gunn & Castiel: Suited Up & Fighting Evil
Oh, man. Tim and Cas.
"Make it work!"
"I...don't understand what it is you want me to make work."
Castiel would be utterly horrified when Tim tells him, "You should take an editing eye to those sigils."
Um. ANYWAY.
I'M NOT THINKING OF SPN/PROJECT RUNWAY MASH-UPS/CROSSOVERS, I'M REALLY NOT. ::facepalm::
First, one comment on Project Runway: I love Emilio's garments, but I seriously dislike Emilio. Every time that guy opens his mouth, I want to kick him in it. Ugh. Sure, he has reason to be confident. But he's so smug about it.
Supernatural - "99 Problems"
I think my mom described the ending of tonight's episode best when she said, "Well, that was poorly cobbled together."
Um, yeah. So Dean didn't have Lisa's number anymore, but he could find her new house?
And, okay, sure there's a bigger impact him showing up on her doorstep like that, but that's still...poorly cobbled together. Besides the fact that it kind of comes out of nowhere, which I don't want to lean on too hard because the foundation is kind of shaky. We already know Dean wants a home and a family, and we know how much he liked Lisa and her kid. And he did dream about her the one time we know of. So I don't think it's completely out of nowhere.
At the same time, though...I don't know. I think they could have worked it in a little better.
Not to mention Lisa's own reaction to the situation. WEIRD.
I'm not in anyway delusional, but let's put the slash goggles on because they're more fun! Dean wants a family and a home - a recognizable home - that gives him something tangible. It's interesting to see Sam's earlier years and how much he wanted normalcy and how he's changed and accepted his...calling. Whereas we've seen Dean become increasingly dissatisfied with at least certain aspects of their life.
Anyway. Dean wants to be happy and have a place to call home that isn't a motel room or the Impala or just Sam in general. He thinks he has to find it in the package we're all fed: house, white-picket fence, wife/husband, 2.5 kids, dog. He just doesn't realize that he's got it with Sam and, slash goggles, Castiel. There's maybe a part of his subconscious going, "Hey, Winchester! Those feelings you're pretending you don't feel for the angel? Do I need to hit you with a clue-by-four?"
And instead of facing those - triggered perhaps by how broken Castiel is at the moment and how he physically got his ass handed to him - he runs off to the one woman he would imagine himself with. Because he thinks he needs to imagine himself with a woman.
Or something. And that's how I'd read it with my slash goggles. Basically.
Other things!
- Random Michael Shanks is random! (Dean Winchester vs. Doctor Daniel Jackson! Smack down at 11!)
ME: ...omg, is that Michael Shanks?
MOM: It is!
ME: He's everywhere.
MOM: He's such a whore.
- WHOEVER: The apocalypse is so romantic.
ME: Duh. Dean met Cas that way, you know.
MOM: Mmmmmmhmm.
The fires of Hell provide great ambiance, don'tcha know. And Castiel looks hella fierce in candlelight.
- Sam the abomination made me laaaaaaaaugh. Oh, Sam. You and your face.
- CASTIEL: I found a liquor store.
SAM: And?
CASTIEL: I drank it.
- Everything with Castiel was golden. I loved it. From his confused voice mail intro to showing up drunk and annoyed to his whore explanation and "it's funnier in Enochian" to his sorry "I am an angel of the Lord" to bonding with Dean. Oh, Cas.
I think once again it's really easy to see both why Castiel would slide into the behavior we saw in "The End" and also why he sticks with Dean. It would be very easy to blame Dean for everything that's happened - "I did it, all of it, for you" - and just leave it at that, take off and disappear. But he and Dean have a connection, and I don't think it's one that makes Castiel bitter about being involved with the Winchesters. Which is a good thing. I don't care for the idea that their failures, which uncover the corruption of Heaven, would in turn make Castiel dislike them for opening his eyes and causing his fall. (But I don't think Castiel would lay blame on others for his own choices, even with how new choice is to him.)
Although, really, if anyone should fall it should be all of the angels behind this great big hoopla. Castiel has been loyal to God up until God said, "Later, suckers!" Hell, as far as I can tell, he's still loyal to God. Disillusioned, sure, but I'm not sure he would refuse were God to show up and say, "Whoops. My bad."
Oh, wouldn't it be nice if God were testing them all?
- I'd love to say intelligent things about Sam and Dean and their individual paths and faiths, but my thoughts on that aren't holding together so well at the moment.
- I was really hoping that the fact Dean was able to kill Leah would just give him a kick in the ass toward believing, hey, he could do this after all. But no.
I'm not sure I believe it myself, but I could almost see the angels actually being behind her anyway, and somehow allowing Dean to off her, just so that he'd be pushed that much closer to the line that is Michael and saying "yes."
I might have more thoughts later. Meanwhile, other than the promo after tonight's episode, I remain COMPLETELY UNSPOILED (besides one or two casting spoilers that make it outside of cuts) for upcoming episodes. I'd like to keep it that way.
Oh, man. Tim and Cas.
"Make it work!"
"I...don't understand what it is you want me to make work."
Castiel would be utterly horrified when Tim tells him, "You should take an editing eye to those sigils."
Um. ANYWAY.
I'M NOT THINKING OF SPN/PROJECT RUNWAY MASH-UPS/CROSSOVERS, I'M REALLY NOT. ::facepalm::
First, one comment on Project Runway: I love Emilio's garments, but I seriously dislike Emilio. Every time that guy opens his mouth, I want to kick him in it. Ugh. Sure, he has reason to be confident. But he's so smug about it.
Supernatural - "99 Problems"
I think my mom described the ending of tonight's episode best when she said, "Well, that was poorly cobbled together."
Um, yeah. So Dean didn't have Lisa's number anymore, but he could find her new house?
And, okay, sure there's a bigger impact him showing up on her doorstep like that, but that's still...poorly cobbled together. Besides the fact that it kind of comes out of nowhere, which I don't want to lean on too hard because the foundation is kind of shaky. We already know Dean wants a home and a family, and we know how much he liked Lisa and her kid. And he did dream about her the one time we know of. So I don't think it's completely out of nowhere.
At the same time, though...I don't know. I think they could have worked it in a little better.
Not to mention Lisa's own reaction to the situation. WEIRD.
I'm not in anyway delusional, but let's put the slash goggles on because they're more fun! Dean wants a family and a home - a recognizable home - that gives him something tangible. It's interesting to see Sam's earlier years and how much he wanted normalcy and how he's changed and accepted his...calling. Whereas we've seen Dean become increasingly dissatisfied with at least certain aspects of their life.
Anyway. Dean wants to be happy and have a place to call home that isn't a motel room or the Impala or just Sam in general. He thinks he has to find it in the package we're all fed: house, white-picket fence, wife/husband, 2.5 kids, dog. He just doesn't realize that he's got it with Sam and, slash goggles, Castiel. There's maybe a part of his subconscious going, "Hey, Winchester! Those feelings you're pretending you don't feel for the angel? Do I need to hit you with a clue-by-four?"
And instead of facing those - triggered perhaps by how broken Castiel is at the moment and how he physically got his ass handed to him - he runs off to the one woman he would imagine himself with. Because he thinks he needs to imagine himself with a woman.
Or something. And that's how I'd read it with my slash goggles. Basically.
Other things!
- Random Michael Shanks is random! (Dean Winchester vs. Doctor Daniel Jackson! Smack down at 11!)
ME: ...omg, is that Michael Shanks?
MOM: It is!
ME: He's everywhere.
MOM: He's such a whore.
- WHOEVER: The apocalypse is so romantic.
ME: Duh. Dean met Cas that way, you know.
MOM: Mmmmmmhmm.
The fires of Hell provide great ambiance, don'tcha know. And Castiel looks hella fierce in candlelight.
- Sam the abomination made me laaaaaaaaugh. Oh, Sam. You and your face.
- CASTIEL: I found a liquor store.
SAM: And?
CASTIEL: I drank it.
- Everything with Castiel was golden. I loved it. From his confused voice mail intro to showing up drunk and annoyed to his whore explanation and "it's funnier in Enochian" to his sorry "I am an angel of the Lord" to bonding with Dean. Oh, Cas.
I think once again it's really easy to see both why Castiel would slide into the behavior we saw in "The End" and also why he sticks with Dean. It would be very easy to blame Dean for everything that's happened - "I did it, all of it, for you" - and just leave it at that, take off and disappear. But he and Dean have a connection, and I don't think it's one that makes Castiel bitter about being involved with the Winchesters. Which is a good thing. I don't care for the idea that their failures, which uncover the corruption of Heaven, would in turn make Castiel dislike them for opening his eyes and causing his fall. (But I don't think Castiel would lay blame on others for his own choices, even with how new choice is to him.)
Although, really, if anyone should fall it should be all of the angels behind this great big hoopla. Castiel has been loyal to God up until God said, "Later, suckers!" Hell, as far as I can tell, he's still loyal to God. Disillusioned, sure, but I'm not sure he would refuse were God to show up and say, "Whoops. My bad."
Oh, wouldn't it be nice if God were testing them all?
- I'd love to say intelligent things about Sam and Dean and their individual paths and faiths, but my thoughts on that aren't holding together so well at the moment.
- I was really hoping that the fact Dean was able to kill Leah would just give him a kick in the ass toward believing, hey, he could do this after all. But no.
I'm not sure I believe it myself, but I could almost see the angels actually being behind her anyway, and somehow allowing Dean to off her, just so that he'd be pushed that much closer to the line that is Michael and saying "yes."
I might have more thoughts later. Meanwhile, other than the promo after tonight's episode, I remain COMPLETELY UNSPOILED (besides one or two casting spoilers that make it outside of cuts) for upcoming episodes. I'd like to keep it that way.
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Date: 2010-04-09 06:20 am (UTC)what's that thing they say? show, don't tell? yeah. what they showed wasn't really enough.
i would have found drunk!cas funnier if it didn't mean he was heading right down the path of 5x04!cas. dean even started him on the pills. :|
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Date: 2010-04-09 06:35 am (UTC)what's that thing they say? show, don't tell? yeah. what they showed wasn't really enough.
Oh, no, I totally agree. I'm just...trying to make the ending work in a way that doesn't make me just throw up my hands and go, "FAIL, WRITERS." As I said to my mom while we were watching, Dean's had a lot of one night flings. Lisa was only a weekend thing. And then an almost thing. And out of all of the people Dean's come in contact with, and all of the women we assume he's had experience with, she is the one thing on his mind outside of himself and Sam in this apocalypse thing? Ridiculous. Unless they are going to take the time to actually build it up and show us.
I could see him confusing wanting what she represents as an ideal with actually wanting her specifically. If that makes sense.
Anyway, yeah. It was poorly done. Why they felt the need to do it, I do not know.
dean even started him on the pills.
omg, I didn't even think of it that way. :(
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Date: 2010-04-09 05:08 pm (UTC)Re: God's test. Another tragic thing about Castiel is that I'm not sure whether he would be able to return even if God popped up and declared, "Do-over!" The sort of faith he had isn't easily shattered, but the disillusionment seems like it would always be a part of him. And maybe that's why the other angels are such dicks, particularly the ones who've had personal contact with God? Zachariah, Gabriel, Raphael...from the beginning, they've all been far more cynical about the workings of Heaven than Castiel. Wildly speculating here, but maybe the very fact that they've been disappointed much like Castiel is now is what prompted them to start this Apocalypse in the first place. It's a rejection of the world God left them with.
And I love your slash goggles. That scene outside between Dean and Castiel was both horrifying and wonderful: the foreshadowing with tossing him a container of pills (sure it's aspirin, but STILL), but they also share a moment where Dean manages to overcome his apathy to try to comfort Cas. It was a bit of personal connection when both are trying their damnedest to feel nothing.
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Date: 2010-04-09 07:36 pm (UTC)Dean is so emotionally guarded against anyone not in his little bunch of family, so for him to pour out his feelings without the show having first laid some groundwork there felt...unearned, I guess. Like it was aiming for an additional layer of angst that didn't quite work.
That's exactly the problem. It actually kind of reminds me of Dean and Castiel at the end of "On the Head of a Pin." That emotional confession of fear and weakness and self-doubt made sense coming from Dean to Castiel after what they'd both been through. This, though...You could see Dean building up to some sort of out-pouring, but he focused it on the wrong person. Or, at least, he focused it out of nowhere on a fairly random person. I don't want to belittle how quickly bonds can form, but this was, yeah. Cobbled together.
Wildly speculating here, but maybe the very fact that they've been disappointed much like Castiel is now is what prompted them to start this Apocalypse in the first place. It's a rejection of the world God left them with.
I could see that. Plus, you've got Raphael's whole thing about living in a "Godless universe." It sounds like they were disillusioned and said, well, screw it.
I've been thinking about all of this more since I posted last night, and I keep going back to what I said about Castiel not being bitter toward the Winchesters for essentially leading him down this path. We saw him get angry at Dean when Dean dismissed his plan to find God as an alternative to saying "yes" to Michael and remind Dean that he's given everything up for them. I can only imagine how angry he'd be now to have Dean turn around and say, you know what, I think I will say "yes" after all. Castiel keeps putting his faith in people only to have them turn around and not quite meet his expectations.
but they also share a moment where Dean manages to overcome his apathy to try to comfort Cas. It was a bit of personal connection when both are trying their damnedest to feel nothing.
I love the way you put that. It was a beautiful, heartbreaking moment.
I am terrified for next week's episode.
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Date: 2010-04-10 07:29 pm (UTC)I'm not sure I believe it myself, but I could almost see the angels actually being behind her anyway, and somehow allowing Dean to off her, just so that he'd be pushed that much closer to the line that is Michael and saying "yes."
You know, I was thinking the same thing!!! It didn't say "servant of God", it said "servant of heaven", and heaven is under angelicas administration until further notice.
Castiel was heartbreaking, Misha Collins is my new idol. And Sam and Dean.... I think I'll rant about it on my own LJ, it might get long. ^^
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Date: 2010-04-12 10:27 pm (UTC)Y'know, it's funny you say that! Because the day after I posted this, I was explaining the current situation on the show to a friend who doesn't watch and my brain abruptly screeched to a halt when I couldn't remember if they said "servant of God" or "servant of Heaven" because that's...very possibly a very important distinction. Plus, there was the episode last season where Castiel got Dean to pledge his allegiance to God and his angels, not Heaven." I'm not sure that means anything or if it'll come into play, though. I'd really love it if they were deliberately playing with wording.
I love all the parts with Castiel, even the heartbreaking ones. (But then I love things that make me sad. Or, at least, TV and movies and books.) Misha Collin's is just so...spot on with all the character.
I'm going to have to toddle over to your LJ now...